FrontPage Support Outrage !!

[knocx]

Plesk supposed to be a software for "Hosting" Providers, however read this;

" FrontPage Server Extensions are no longer shipped with Plesk. Therefore, after upgrading to Plesk 8.1, you will need to obtain and install FrontPage Server Extensions separately."

this is nothing but crap! we have 1500+ clients that sums to at least 50.000USD/year using FP extentions and sw-soft wants us to abandon them and throw away 50.000USD! is that possible? HELL NO!

We have 16 PLESK servers and since we can upgrade to new versions we are planning to switch to an equavalent CP like directadmin ...etc, if the issue is not resolved in 1-2 Months!

I do invite all collagues to sign this thread to show their emberrasments about FP support!

knocx

[blank_page]

HEllo,

If you upgraded to plesk 8.1 then the feature should work.
I upgraded servers to 8.1 and fp worked on them and it was available.

[knocx]

does fp works after you remove the domain and add again? i dont think so

[breun]

Microsoft has ended support for FrontPage: http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/

[knocx]

yep i know,

but this is not changing the truth that people are still using and will be using FP for next few years , why did plesk discontinued FP package distribution?

this is the main question ...

[tyson1980]

I really got screwed by SWsoft becasue of this! I migrated to a new server not knowing that it was unable to have FP installed! So now I am extreamly heated and lost alot of clients already. Not sure if there is legal action we can take but there should be.

[breun]

You could have read the release notes for Plesk 8.1.0. It's not like they kept it a secret.

[nars]

This is a shame... how can we tell our customers that from now no more FrontPage extensions support!? I have just mailed SWSoft to manifest my displeasure with that... please do it as well and maybe they reconsider if many people write to them...

[tyson1980]

Horible. SWsoft is goingg to los alot of money and respect over this one. I have allready talked to 3 providers that are no longer offering plesk as a option.

[breun]

People, Microsoft discontinued FrontPage last year. Better yell at them. I don't think you can expect SWsoft to keep supporting a discontinued product that is not theirs.

[knocx]

as i told before we all know Microsoft discontinued FrontPage, but this does not make present FP users, office users vanish, ...etc

the problem is the package is already present with plesk , why not distribute? what we need is a soft depreciation, cutting it off suddenly will cause lots of complaints.

[Herby]

Originally posted by nars
This is a shame... how can we tell our customers that from now no more FrontPage extensions support!? I have just mailed SWSoft to manifest my displeasure with that... please do it as well and maybe they reconsider if many people write to them...

Sorry but FP was crap software from the 1st day on. I am very happy that this episode is over now.

[nars]

Originally posted by Herby
Sorry but FP was crap software from the 1st day on. I am very happy that this episode is over now.

I completely agree with that personally, but the problem is our customers...

btw, I have got this reply from SWSoft:

This is not an issue if you are already using FP extensions on a Linux/UNIX server… However, By Law we are not allowed to redistribute FP extensions after June 30th, 2006… However, if they are on an existing system then we won’t remove them if we update our software. http://www.rtr.com/fpsupport/#dist

[tyson1980]

Originally posted by Herby
Sorry but FP was crap software from the 1st day on. I am very happy that this episode is over now.

You are glad its over but are the millions of FP users glad?

First SWSoft adds spam into there allready overpriced software then they do this.

Time to go to Cpanel. SWSoft you really need to rethink some of your desitions or your companie is going to go under.

[siren]

Everyone that posted here is a bunch of fools if you can't do a little bit of leg work to understand why.

The only *nix frontpage extensions were not produced by SW-Soft.

Anyone distributing them is doing so illegally anyways.

"May I distribute the FPSE kit(s) that I have previously downloaded?
No."

http://www.rtr.com/fpsupport/

[siren]

Originally posted by tyson1980
You are glad its over but are the millions of FP users glad?

First SWSoft adds spam into there allready overpriced software then they do this.

Time to go to Cpanel. SWSoft you really need to rethink some of your desitions or your companie is going to go under.

You do realize cPanel is getting rid of them also right?

Due to the fact they can no longer distribute them and the fact they are becoming a security risk now (no updates).

[tyson1980]

It looks like it is a microsoft issue, still sucks, I don't see how Microsoft can do this. I think there trying to force people onto windows platforms becasue plesk for windows still supports frontpage I have been told.

[siren]

Originally posted by tyson1980
It looks like it is a microsoft issue, still sucks, I don't see how Microsoft can do this. I think there trying to force people onto windows platforms becasue plesk for windows still supports frontpage I have been told.

Microsoft can do it because "THEY OWN THE FRONTPAGE ARCHITECTURE"

Just like SW-Soft could say tomorrow that they don't support Windows.

Besides, Frontpage 2003 Extensions were the final version.

Microsoft is moving to Sharepoint and there isn't a viable Linux Version of that.

You can't expect Microsoft to continue pushing everything it has over to *nix, that's bad business for there server market.

The original reason for doing so with FrontPage was to make sure people continued to use it while they made a presence.

They no longer have that need.

Yes, I would have liked to have seen them keep *nix support, but lets get realistic.

[tyson1980]

Originally posted by siren
Microsoft can do it because "THEY OWN THE FRONTPAGE ARCHITECTURE"

Just like SW-Soft could say tomorrow that they don't support Windows.

Besides, Frontpage 2003 Extensions were the final version.

Microsoft is moving to Sharepoint and there isn't a viable Linux Version of that.

You can't expect Microsoft to continue pushing everything it has over to *nix, that's bad business for there server market.

The original reason for doing so with FrontPage was to make sure people continued to use it while they made a presence.

They no longer have that need.

Yes, I would have liked to have seen them keep *nix support, but lets get realistic.


Its like selling you a car that takes special gas, then stopping the sell of that gas a couple years later.

[CBiLL]

We recently purchased a new server and did a clean install with CentOS 4.4 and Plesk 8.1 then we did a plesk back up on our old server which had Fedora Core 1 and Plesk 8.0.1.

The backup and restore was successful but we were puzzle when customers started telling us thier frontpage doesn't work anymore and found out that it no longer avaiable on the Plesk 8.1.

We have a large customer base that uses frontpage so I went and download the Plesk 8.0 for CentOS and extracted a package named frontpage-5.0-72psa.centos4.2.i586.rpm and install it like any other rpm on the new server and the setting for frontpage came back in each domain setup but disabled.

Then we had to enable it and disable it again wiping the old server's frontpage setting/path/htaccess and re-enable it forcing it to create a new one based on our new server tree.

So far it works without any problems and our customers are happy again.


Bill

[siren]

The problem comes down to the fact that Frontpage is EOL and depreciated.

There will be no more security updates and haven't been since June.

I will not be running this on any of our servers for this reason, it's as security risk and it's not worth the risk.

[CFHCOMP]

If I have fp extentions on a box I upgraded and do not have it on a system I just installed New I should be able to copy over some file right. Does any one know how to do this.

[jefwic]

Anyone?

[blank_page]

Hi,

Take the 8.0 package of plesk (as per your operating system) and install directly from that rpm.

ftp://download1.sw-soft.com/Plesk/

I did it and it worked without problems.

[siren]

Originally posted by tyson1980
Its like selling you a car that takes special gas, then stopping the sell of that gas a couple years later.

No, it would be like selling a car that takes special fuel and you purchase it "Knowing" it takes special fuel. Then the company decides that Chevron, Texaco, Shell, Maverick, and others can produce this special fuel.

After a few years the company decides to discontinue the product, but doesn't want to leave their customers in the dark, so tells all the gas companies that they will only produce the fuel themselves from now on and that the other companies can only offer what they have left.

They didn't stop producing it, they simply stopped producing it for Windows.

[siren]

Originally posted by CFHCOMP
If I have fp extentions on a box I upgraded and do not have it on a system I just installed New I should be able to copy over some file right. Does any one know how to do this.

If you have it installed and do an upgrade it won't remove it and it will continue to function.

[CFHCOMP]

What I was stating was if I have 2 or more boxes and one has fp and one does not I should be able to take the files from the one with fp and copy the files to the one without fp and make then both work with fp.

[hesham55]

i think this can help you

http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42962


if you want my bank account no. to pay to me for this soulution tell me (just juke)


Regards

[ztheory]

you have to be running an OS that originally supported front page. i was attempting to try and install FP extensions on FC5. it simply doesn't work people.

The operating systems on this list are the only ones that can have front page:

ftp://download1.sw-soft.com/Plesk/Plesk8.0/

but, you guys are right, you can upgrade or install 8.1 on one of those systems, and simply install the RPM from an 8.0 install.

just thought i'd put an end to this.

-Ztheory

[HMIBarryLSalter]

WOW! I have had my share of shock tonight!

I understand, if it is illegal for the control panels to distribute the FP extensions, then of course they won't, I wouldn't get myself in a tiff for a customer and do something illegal, haven't yet and won't.

But, on the other hand, as much as I hate FP, it is very true that customers paid for it and expect to continue using it until they are convinced something else is better. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY HAVE A RIGHT (legal right) TO IT TOO..

So hats off to Ztheory for providing a way of getting the FP back in if someone wants it for their client, because their clients paid for it and we should not be the bad guys for MicroSoft.. MicroSoft, Go F??? Yourself!

[breun]

You *can* continue using FP if you previously had it on your server. So what's your problem? Some server admins haven't been reading up on the changelogs and other news (like FrontPage going EOL last year). Why do customers have a 'legal right' to get FrontPage installed on a new server that is managed by a company that obviously hasn't been paying attention?

I'm no Microsoft-fan, but it's really the server admins that should've seen this coming. It's not like Microsoft kept it a secret.

[HMIBarryLSalter]

Breun, I have one designer buying hosting from me who has done nothing but Front Page development for years, it's his expertise. How can I tell him that he can't do Front Page work on my server any more because I've "upgraded" the server and Front Page is no longer available?

Well his first reaction is to look for Front Page hosting somewhere, maybe with a competitor that doesn't pay SUS and doesn't upgrade.

Sure the problem is his, I up grade to provide better service and he has to learn a new development tool.

You probably don't remember the days of DOS 3.3 - DOS 5.0 like I do. You see, a friend of mine developed an ap in assembly to suspend applications in memory to be able to switch applications and go back where you left off in the application previously, a base concept in windows. His application worked flawlessly and then MS came out with DOS 4.0 and changed the environment to not work with his code (or the other two applications that others had wrote) and came out with their own memory management app in a shell.

For his case, he was a developer, just like Quick Books or anyone else who wants to sell on MS's platforms. You have to support your customer, if it doesn't run, fix it, make it work or die.

Now here we are, I have a customer, I can Fix it or I can die with it, but it's Micro Soft that is causing the problem.

I believe the answer is, for all of us to promote the hell out of Linux and FreeBSD and OSX (which Micro Soft has their hands in also being they own part of Apple.)

[breun]

Both you and your client should have known the FrontPage days were numbered. The official EOL date for the Unix FrontPage extensions was June 30 2006 (almost a year ago). If you rely on specific software, make sure you stay up-to-date on that software's roadmap or you'll run into situations like these.

Not a lot of software will be supported indefinitely and certainly proprietary software won't be. Plus there's the added disadvantage of no one being able to continue development or support when the proprietor EOLs a product.

You can be angry with Microsoft, but if they supported the software until 2010 you'd have the same problem then if you didn't keep yourself updated on their roadmap.

And yes, I do remember the DOS days.

[HMIBarryLSalter]

Well Breun,

I just spoke with my one client that I really care about regarding FP, and although he was unaware of the EOL, He was aware of the new app and he seemed to have the same opinion as you do and said now he has a reason to run out and buy the other program.

Now I'm concerned. I've just unintentionally helped MicroSoft make a sale by delivering their evil news. When my client buys this new program, will this mean that his sites will or will not run on my FreeBSD server? have I help MicroSoft sell a program and lost a client in the process?

So even if I knew this a year ago, could I have kept my client this year or would I have lost him sooner?


OK.. The real question.. If there is a new product out and FP is end of life to push that new product, what do we do to support the new product and keep our clients??? Does Breun or anyone have an idea please?

[breun]

If you go to http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage you will be redirected to a page that tells you about MS Office SharePoint Designer 2007 and MS Expression Web Designer. I'm afraid both are Windows-only solutions, so your FreeBSD server won't be able to run your clients new sites if he chooses to go with either of these products.

[ztheory]

i can understand that people are mad. it took me hours to get FC4 to work with FP and MySQL 5. but it's not the end of the world here people. It's been discussed that you CAN continue to use front page if you want, on a slightly older OS, personally I think FC4 was a solid system, and had no problem installing it for one of my customers. I mean, if I may say, hats off to SWsoft for having the newest releases supporting legacy OS's like FreeBSD 4 and Fedora Core 1. the point is you can run the newest PLESK versions on some older OS's and still run FP. and by the time all the Microshit followers let go of FP, you won't have to worry about it anymore, and can move on. So bare with all the people that chose a path that has come to an end, hey, it happens.

[breun]

Personally I think it's a little odd that SWsoft still releases new Plesk versions for those OS versions that are already EOL themselves. SWsoft recently announced they will stop supporting FC3 and older on November 15 2007, but FC5 will be EOLed by the Fedora Project at the end of June 2007 for instance. You can continue to run Plesk on FC5 and you will receive Plesk updates, but your server won't receive security fixes for apache and other OS packages anymore.

I suggest not to use Fedora on servers unless you have no problem with upgrading your OS every year. I like to go with a distribution with a longer lifecycle, like CentOS.

[ztheory]

centos is definitely my favorite platform, but my company only offers FC unfortunately. personally I like FC a lot, but you are indeed right is that a new version comes out every 6-8 months, really annoying.

[breun]

If your hoster doesn't offer what you're looking for, go find another one. :)

Or maybe Atomic Rocket Turtle's AOOI (http://www.atomicrocketturtle.com/Joomla/content/view/139/29/) can be of use.

[ztheory]

no, im saying the company i work for doesn't offer CentOS. I use CentOS on my personal servers.

[siren]

Originally posted by breun
If you go to http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage you will be redirected to a page that tells you about MS Office SharePoint Designer 2007 and MS Expression Web Designer. I'm afraid both are Windows-only solutions, so your FreeBSD server won't be able to run your clients new sites if he chooses to go with either of these products.

Let's clear up this falicy.

SharePoint Designer "Will" require SharePoint Extensions, but it isn't the replacement for FrontPage.

The replacement for Frontpage is MS Expressions and, although it can use SharePoint extensions it also uses FTP the exact same way.

If you care about your customers then you will send them to that site and have them get Expressions so you keep the customer and they stay happy.

Even FrontPage extensions on Windows will be coming to an end soon.

[JustinTD]

Well, here's my problem ...

Alot of the coding I am doing is a hybrid of PHP/HTML/DHTML/CSS. I use FP for alot of that. Anyone who has used the "new" programs by MS must know all about the BOM issue with PHP. So for me, its not feasible to use Expression or Sharepoint Designer. So, I have to stick with FP until that is resolved. Not to mention, anyone in their right mind would not go run out and buy that latest technology which is unproven and forsake a program which has been in existence for nearly 12 years. FP is a proven technology. Sharpoint Services are ok, but still new. The Sharepoint clients are buggy as hell.

Now comes the other point, those of us who have 30-40 clients on a linux based server cant easily and readily switch to a windows server to resolve the FP issue. I am not asking anyone to include FPEX with new version, but we should still have SOME resource somewhere to download a package and maybe a tutorial to install it.

Just my 2 cents.

[KrazyBob]

I don't mean to be harsh, but some of you have clearly missed the obvious. Just read the current manual for 8.2 and you will find instructions for FrontPage usage. This alone obligates SW-Soft to support THEIR release.

I have just learned the hard way. I spent $25,000 on several new servers, loaded Virtuozzo into them, loaded Plesk 8.2 and mod_frontpage, and viola! No damn FrontPage. It's there, but broken.

Now here's the kicker: I discussed my plan of moving thousands of customers from Ensim servers directly with senior support staff. Not once did anyone say that after the move FrontPage would not work.

It is real easy to say that this is a Microsoft issue. NO. It is and has always been a SW-Soft issue. Read the release notes? Show me where it tells you that although FrontPage is advertised it won't work, and, they won't support it. It is simply ridiculous to create a migration plan direclty with Pavel and Deniss of SW-Soft, and then learn the hard way. It is equally ridiculous to read the Plesk 8.2 Server Admin and Domain Admin manuals and find discussion of FrontPage setup and usage.

[breun]

Thanks for crossposting.

[KrazyBob]

It sure wasn't deli8berate. I had several windows oipen. Thanks for the sarcasm. It makes my day.

[siren]

Originally posted by KrazyBob
I don't mean to be harsh, but some of you have clearly missed the obvious. Just read the current manual for 8.2 and you will find instructions for FrontPage usage. This alone obligates SW-Soft to support THEIR release.

I have just learned the hard way. I spent $25,000 on several new servers, loaded Virtuozzo into them, loaded Plesk 8.2 and mod_frontpage, and viola! No damn FrontPage. It's there, but broken.

Now here's the kicker: I discussed my plan of moving thousands of customers from Ensim servers directly with senior support staff. Not once did anyone say that after the move FrontPage would not work.

It is real easy to say that this is a Microsoft issue. NO. It is and has always been a SW-Soft issue. Read the release notes? Show me where it tells you that although FrontPage is advertised it won't work, and, they won't support it. It is simply ridiculous to create a migration plan direclty with Pavel and Deniss of SW-Soft, and then learn the hard way. It is equally ridiculous to read the Plesk 8.2 Server Admin and Domain Admin manuals and find discussion of FrontPage setup and usage.

Get your facts straight, it is an MS issue.

When MS flat told the company making the port to unix to:

1.) Stop, we won't allow it anymore and

2.) You, nor anyone else, is allowed to distribute it any longer.

That makes it an MS issue.

People distributing it with new software still are violating MS policy and legal standing.

Maybe this is why cPanel is having such a hard time getting a Windows release out, they don't do what MS says so maybe MS won't help them.

And BTW, I don't believe the new Ensim release suports it either.

[KrazyBob]

When a company takes the time to consult at length with the software vendor (SW-Soft) and that vendor fails to state that an issue with FP will result, the issue is with THAT vendor. When the vendor provides sepcific upgrade and migration steps during the consultation that fail to address the later discovered migration failure that requires that many, many sites be migrated all over again, the issue is with THAT vendor. When that vendor is paid for the consultation and part of the labor, the issue is with THAT vendor. Not Microsoft. When the vendor buries one line in its release notes that the extensions are not longer distrubuted but does NOT remove any of the verbage in numerous administrator and end-user manuals for Plesk 8.2 discussing how to setup and manage FP sites, THAT vendor is the issue. One may speculate that Plesk manuals did not have these changes because sales would drop.

Had we undertaken this major upgrade without consulting with SW-Soft it would be our own fault for not knowing. We relied on paid professional services to guide us.

[siren]

Considering it has been over a year since Microsoft announced it and the information is posted "ALL OVER" the net they probably assumed you knew.

Especially considering that one of the major things in this industry is keeping abreast with what changes are taking place.

If you don't, things like this happen.

[KrazyBob]

We were fully aware that Microsoft was not releasing upgrades to the 2002 extensions. We were not aware that Microsoft would not allow vendors to coniue deploying the existing extensions.

We have installed the extensions from an earlier release of Plesk. Now attempts to enter the FP Manager give an Internal Server Error. Users cannot login with FP 200x

Any thoughts on this?

-bash-3.00# rpm -qa | grep frontpage
frontpage-5.0-72psa.centos4.2

[HMIBarryLSalter]

What version of plesk did you install?

My plesk is 8.0.3 i believe (8.0.x for sure) and it still has the extensions in it. From that point, you should be able to hit the update button and have it update and not loose extensions.

hope that helps..

as a point of reference.. my last developer using front page is looking for other options even though we are doing our best to maintain fp in the server.

[KrazyBob]

I should have mentioned that we put Pleskm on top of Virtuozzo and one doesn't just click Update. We learned that lesson the hard way.

[HMIBarryLSalter]

I have had plesk since the early days (when it actually worked) and from experience, we ALL WAYS and WITHOUT EXCEPTION mirror the hard drive being updated. I agree with you, I retract the "just" from my pushing any button with Plesk excepting the one labeled "PANIC".

Barry lol

[KrazyBob]

PANIC is exactly where I am at. The Plesk Migration Tool tanked half of the Ensim sites. FrontPage tanked even though we thought that we had installed it (like others in this thread.) A dual processor Opteron with 4GB cannot handle 600 domains under Plesk and "support" hasn't been of much help. I'm installing anotgher box now to bounce the VE over to.

[basicdev]

I was a little upset when I found out my upgrade didn't have frontpage, but you still have the ftp portion of frontpage to manage.

I was going to install frontpage manually, but like what was said before, it will become a security risk.

[HostingGuy]

When I heard MS was no longer offering it everyone in our hosting department did a dance of joy.

When we launched Linux hosting with out FP all our linux admins were doing the dance of joy.

Unfortunately our windows department still has to deal with it, but such is life.

if customers want FP they should be on windows, if they dont, then they can use linux.

If you guys are a one OS shop then you got some problems if your depending on FP clients to make your money, and shouuld have seen this comming with MS previous historical attitudes about not sharing technology unless a court forces them to.

Also to the guy who mentioned 12 years of frontpage, MS has on its site that is was only 9 years of hell instead :)
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/frontpage/default.aspx?ofcresset=1

I agree it sucks for a lot of people, but blaming SWSoft is not really the answer. Now that you know the way it has to be, you either have to get windows servers to offer FP or dont offer FP on new servers. Dont upgrade servers with out knowing what you are gaining and in some cases loosing. Always upgrade a test box before you upgrade a production server and test the hell out of it to find out what is being changed that is not int he offical change log or release notes.

There are several things you can do, but it sounds like the people who are complaining did not do any of these testing steps and were some what irresponsible by jumping into an upgrade before knowing how it would affect you.

just my 0.02

[HMIBarryLSalter]

I agree and disagree.

Before upgrading, we do a mirror of the drive.. We perform the upgrade, and then hit the sites across the board looking for problems and fix as we go. Most of the time, we inquire of others who have done the updates before us for their insight.

This time, I discovered the FP situation after the upgrade but it was an upgrade that I did not lose Front Page on, so I am NOT one of the victims. Secondly, I only have one customer and at one time, one other but he was a flake and left. BUT, this does not stop me from having a strong opinion about the situation and I still say it stinks!

And yes, "I" am well familiar with Microsofts CRAP, I have use MS software since DOS 3.01 (played with DOS 1.1 on TRSDOS conversions, 3.11 and excited about 3.30 3.5" 720s! AND 4/5 when they changed memory structure and f?????? everyone doing OS swap to disc and then did it themselves with the shell command.)

[KrazyBob]

HostingGuy continues to miss the points.

First, in our case, SW-Soft was PAID for their consulting services and failed to relate to us that FP would not be installed when following their recommendation to upgrade to Plesk 8.2.

Second, it is rather inappropriate to tell those of us that have chosen Linux for a stable server environment that it is our fault for not offering Windows. That was your companys' approach. FP extensions have long been offered for Linux because of demand. Now Microsoft has taken deliberate steps clearly designed to force end-users to switch to Windows hosting. This cannot be denied. Blaming the rest of us given what is clearly evident is quite frankly, rude.

[HostingGuy]

In no way did I blame you personally or any other hosting company in general for the FP matter - all i said was that if you didnt test the updates to see if they fit your needs before implementing then that is some what irresonsible.

I dont think its a stretch to say that if you want to use a windows based technology (such as .Net, FP, classic asp, etc) then to use windows. Most other technologies will work the same on both platforms.

You are correct in your position regarding SWSoft consulting - they should have told you, but that was never a point in my argument as that relates only to you specifically and I am talking generally.

i also dont believe that telling some one something that they may not want to hear, but none the less is truthfull in its aproach is not rude, its being honest.

[HMIBarryLSalter]

Just consider, when a giant moves it's feet, a little slide in it's steps takes out villagers.

[basicdev]

Why not install the fp extentions manually?

edit:

SWSoft could still have included fp with their package.

FP license:

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. This EULA grants you the following rights:

* Installation and Use. You may install and use an unlimited number of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

* Reproduction and Distribution. You may reproduce and distribute an unlimited number of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT; provided that each copy shall be a true and complete copy, including all copyright and trademark notices, and shall be accompanied by a copy of this EULA. Copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may be distributed as a standalone product or included with your own product.

* Termination. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT and all of its component parts.

As long as you comly with the EULA, Microsoft shouldn't be able to terminate the use, distribution of the software.

PS. I have a copy of Microsoft FrontPage 2000 Server Extensions SR-1, UNIX 4.0 if anyone is interested.

[x007]

Its TRUE that mscrap discontinue Frontpage BUT !!!

Now Frontpage is called "Sharedpointdesigner"...
That is basicaly the new Frontpage...

And sharedpoint designer support the frontpage Ext !


And that bug me to not be able to have Frontpage on
my 8.2 server like the previous !

As usual swsoft do wathever they
want without ear anyone...

[breun]

Microsoft chose to not create a version of SharePoint for Linux, so yes, there is no supported way to run FrontPage anymore on Linux.

What is SWsoft doing in here that they want to do? Do you believe that SWsoft wanted to have to tell their clients they can't use FrontPage anymore? Of course not. Microsoft discontinued FrontPage and that's why SWsoft cannot and does not distribute FrontPage anymore. It's as simple as that.

[HostingGuy]

I believe that Bruen is correct - if anyone is to blame you should focus on MS, not swsoft.

I for one am very glad its discontinued and hope this starts a trend of no more FP (or MS in general) on *nix boxes.

if you want MS stuff, go to windows.

[dynamicnet]

Greetings:

Agreed. Microsoft Corporation purchased FrontPage from Vemeer Technologies in the mid 1990’s, grew it to where it was among the top design tools in the world, and then dropped it for reasons only Microsoft knows.

Every automation and control panel system vendor now faces the difficult question of how long to support this technology when the primary vendor – Microsoft – dropped the ball.

Since the Microsoft FrontPage extensions are not open source this creates a huge problem for everyone.

Most of our shared hosting customers use Microsoft FrontPage, so we share the pain; we use H-Sphere, and do not know when Positive Software (now an SWSoft company) will drop the extensions.

So we’ve been encouraging our customers to switch to Dreamweaver, Contribute, and other tools more properly supported by the primary vendor of the technology.

Thank you.

[codepoet]

If you need the FrontPage extensions and arn't upgrading from a previous version of plesk, there are ways to get them installed anyway... Check out http://www.swart.org.za/wordpress/?p=69 or the Plesk discussion forum thread at http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?t=42962 for some instructions for installing on Plesk 8.2.1 on CentOS/Redhat.
This will also work on Debian 4.0 as I've done it myself with that.

-Kenneth