Hey guys, looking for some opinions here:


1. I have a complete custom skin for Horde that is the same as the plesk WinXP Reloaded Compact interface .. i believe it is the only one on the planet .

2. I am thinking of making a horde skin for every plesk skin.

3. I am thinking of doing an addon for plesk that allows management of the horde skins through the plesk panel. etc .. so that if a client chooses a skin it auto switches the horde skin to the same plesk skin.

Is there any interest in this?

I can post some screen shots if anyone is interested ...

Sure, post some screenshots of your work.

here are a few screen shots.

I removed the others as they were way outdated

Product is now released (http://www.sarito.com/)

Those look great. When do you plan to make it available?

I'm really interested in that.. The main reason we don't use Horde is its gawd awful interface that our customers hate. That is 100x better.. Hook me up man!:D

Very nice! You got me interested :cool:

nice screenshots!

good work! we are interested too

Great indeed, I suggest you make it available to us asap :cool:

today ? :-)

I'm impressed with that, it looks very good. What sort of price are you thinking of? What installation method are you using?

Very nice work

I'm interrested too

Thanks
amiel

Yeah, will you be making this available at a price or free? If at a price, can skins be purchased seperately? Because I enforce only 1 skin on all my clients, so I would have no need for other skins.

Keep us updated though, very interesting work :)

Indeed... I am interested as well. Can this be done without the fear of Plesk updates overwriting things? I love the look of it... fits in very nicely!

looks pretty cool mate..

just tell us what do you need for it ;)

Thanks for the great feedback guys ...

Let me start by answering a few questions:

When do you plan to make it available?
today ? :-)

Although i'd love to release it today we have to be realistic - this mod has very positive potential but it also has the potential to break webmail if not done correctly, this of course affects every client on your box .. so it can't be rushed, it has to be perfect the first time and include a graceful back out. --- it is well worth the wait .. Estimated time frame - see below.

What sort of price are you thinking of?
will you be making this available at a price or free?

Sorry this is not going to be free - the work involved is quite extensive -- i'm not talking about just a skin for horde but also a way of managing it through the Plesk control panel. ... As far as the sort of price, i have no idea at this time, it will not be anything outrageous, it will be a fair price for great work and functionality.

If at a price, can skins be purchased seperately?
I would much rather keep it simple by not imposing any type of restrictions such as number of domains or skins, but i have also considered having more than one look and feel such as a yahoo look, a squirrelmail look etc ... so perhaps there will be different strokes for different folkes.

What installation method are you using?
I would like to create either an add on such as the 4psa products or a module like the firewall,vpn etc modules, .. I am only just now looking through the Plesk SDK so i will have a better answer in a week or 2 once i have started the Plesk part.

For those interested It would great if you could keep this thread going and perhaps come up with a top 5 feature list for the management section in Plesk .. for example do you want to automatically match the Plesk skin chosen by the client or do you want to also be able to enforce one skin on all your clients etc... anything else?

Time frame --- i will know once i have gleaned some info from the Plesk SDK so i will keep you all informed ... At some point I will also need some beta testers to test a live email system, (my test server), and the Plesk add on before making it available -- so if anyone is interested?

Thanks again for all the feedback guys, and remember good things are worth waiting for.

Originally posted by nhouse
Indeed... I am interested as well. Can this be done without the fear of Plesk updates overwriting things? I love the look of it... fits in very nicely!

It will be the same as any other Plesk addon, which i believe is overwritten by an upgrade. But this is another good reason to have an installation script, or module that can simply be re-installed after the plesk upgrade is done. Re- installing or uninstalling should not take more than 1-2 mins.

This is very very cool.

But can I suggest something? I spent ages trying to find the right places to modify the default horde login page, so that I could add my company logo (and change the top to say "welcome to webamail for [domain name]"

I'd like to be able to keep that somehow. e.g. to be able to modify, at the very least, the login page, even with your wonderful skin sets installed - And I'll definitely be installing them I can afford them.

Faris.

Originally posted by faris
This is very very cool.

But can I suggest something? I spent ages trying to find the right places to modify the default horde login page, so that I could add my company logo (and change the top to say "welcome to webamail for [domain name]"

I'd like to be able to keep that somehow. e.g. to be able to modify, at the very least, the login page, even with your wonderful skin sets installed - And I'll definitely be installing them I can afford them.

Faris.

The skin already displays the name of the domin you are connecting to .. look at the login screen screenshot.
As far as a custom logo the same top frame as the plesk login screen can be added and pick up the logo specified within the plesk control panel. Or a seperate logo for the webmail login screen if need be. ...

If you are asking to be able to modify "welcome to webmail for" through the plesk control panel .. that can be arranged ...

Great news steve. If you need beta-testing, I'm up for it.

It would be ideal if you could set the Horde login to automatically match the Plesk skin chosen. As I remove all other skins from Plesk besides the one I want to enforce, this should automatically make Horde use the only Plesk skin available, correct? (since all clienst can only use the default plesk skin).

What I would like to request though... if you have an installation method available, perhaps releasing this skin already? So not waiting till you have all skins done, you can add skins for people who have already purchased your package.

Also, uploading a custom skin would be nice, as I am using a customized Plesk skin with company colors, it would be nice if I could customize your horde skins myself, to again match my company colors. So perhaps providing your skins in a certain .zip package or something, that can be uploaded and is controlled by a script you manage from the Plesk interface.

Good luck :)

I'd just like the skin. :D We don't do much management of webmail. To get it to match the default skins of PSA would be nice to start with. I'm willing to help beta test. Currently we're between dropping $500 on a single install of @Mail, or, maybe waiting to see what you have.

Setting it up as a module would be nice too, but even just an rpm we can install/reinstall after upgrades would suffice. We're really interested. :D

Originally posted by Redah
What I would like to request though... if you have an installation method available, perhaps releasing this skin already? So not waiting till you have all skins done, you can add skins for people who have already purchased your package.

I was not planning to make other types of skins available to start with but rather concentrate my efforts on the installation method. As you pointed out other skins can be added later.

I'd be happy to be beta-test for you. PM me if you want my ICQ.

Great work! keep on!!

Im trying to make an automatic way for the clients to create ssh-keys and get them to their email, by a button with some cgi s but i have some security problems.

boy oh boy do i need this.
please do a theme for "Aqua compact"

:)

Hi,

Please try do some .sh script not only the rpm.

some guys use BSD and not linux flavors :)

TIA

naturally, I'm also interested. Sent steve0 a PM 10 days ago. let's see what happens.

for all those that are not as patient as they should be, have a look at http://www.webbplatsen.se/horde/ for some AWESOME themes :)

Hey guys just a quick update ... i'm working feverishly away at this as fast as i can ..

Sent steve0 a PM 10 days ago. let's see what happens.

Sorry for some reason i had a gmail account that i never use in my profile and i haven't checked my PM's in a long time .. so did not know they were there .. .anyhow i updated my email and replied to the PM's .. . sorry guys .. .

Please try do some .sh script
no problem ..

just for those that are curious about the 2 themes but dont feel like installing them and moving files around, I wrote a little shell script. get it here (http://exchange.deecyne.com/horde_themes.sh.txt)

basically you put it into a folder, and execute it like "sh script.sh" and it does the rest for you.

this should ease the wait for steve0's theme :)

How is this going? I'd REALLY like the Aqua Compact theme for horde...

This looks realy nice!, is there any news?

I'm working on it ... everyday ... it's coming ..

how about a few more screenshots? to keep us drooling :)

Wow - looks great. You got me interested as well. Please inform us about the possibility to get it!?!

Please inform us about the possibility to get it!?!

This is still being developed .. it is getting closer to completion everyday .. but is still a ways off yet .. going as fast as possible ..

how about a few more screenshots?
I'll post somemore screenshots when we get closer to releasing something ... it's worth the wait ..

One question though, where did you get the icons from? Because if you are planning to sell these packages you probably should be sure to get in touch with whoever made those icons, to get their permission.

That's just for information though. I'm awaiting a release :D

Originally posted by Redah
One question though, where did you get the icons from? Because if you are planning to sell these packages you probably should be sure to get in touch with whoever made those icons, to get their permission.

That's just for information though. I'm awaiting a release :D

I don't think someone will pay for something like a webmail theme.

maybe not you, but i certainly would pay for a webmail theme.

IF I wanted to offer my clients the same look everywhere - that is: plesk, webmail, my site - then I'd pay for such a theme to be created.

however, as I'm not in the business, I have to say that I also wouldnt spend money on it unless I'd earn it back somehow.

Steve0 - minor question, I notice that your themes also do not have an icon to click to get back to the Horde Home page (currently users must use browser refresh). Was wondering if you could put that minor icon into your product.

<My 2 cents>: I don't mind paying a reasonable fee for a product (even if it's just for my own use) as long as I get something from it which I cannot get from an existing product. The 'new' Horde/IMP look-and-feel is better than the old one, Steve0's looks even better (IMO). A minor addition such as I mentioned above (to me) would be a very good thing, if nothing else, it would keep all the clients and end users from calling and emailing me 'how do I get back to my webmail home page?' Time *is* money, and the less time I have to spend answering those questions over and over and over, the better my bottom line profit! And believe me, since I (personally) am available to my clients 24/7, I do get tons of calls and emails everyday!
</My 2 cents>

as long as I get something from it which I cannot get from an existing product.

I started doing this project for my own personal reasons, the fact is Horde was not giving me what i wanted. I have a few corporate clients that will not use horde because even though it does the same as say something like the Exchange webmail client it does not look as polished and thus they simply will not use it.
I have also fielded questions from customers, (customers that are new to webhosting), that are quite lost with all the differing interfaces and from my perspective it makes sence to have a more uniform look to the services i offer, thus cutting back on some of the calls and emails.
I have also become quite tired of making mods that i feel give me a more professional look that simply get overwritten by a plesk upgrade.
I have also read countless postes, (in other forums), of people not using horde simply because of the way it looks and opting for a much less robust webmail program because it looks like it does a better job.
I do not just offer webmail services through plesk to my clients, i have actually been using horde exclusively for over 2 years so i do see it from the perspective of the end user. IMHO Horde is by far one of the best webmail programs available.

So taking all that into consideration i decided to make all my changes, and rap it up in an install script of some kind to save me countless hours of work as for me time is money. At the same time i was wondering if anyone else felt the same or had experienced some of these things with thier own customers, so i asked if anyone was interested.

I don't think someone will pay for something like a webmail theme.

This is not just a simple webmail theme. If no one is interested that is perfectly ok as i will end up with something for myself that my customers will drool over. I am still going to finish this project and i am going to encorporate everything that makes mine and my clients lives easyier. But going from the posts here i'd have to say that there are some people that might be interested.


One question though, where did you get the icons from?
http://www.kde-look.org/
The icons used in the screen shots are mostly GPL'ed some are plesks, please remember that the screen shots were taken from something that i use myself and was not intended to be sold as is. I simply wanted to see if there was any interest.
Obvoiusly the final product will have completely original icons and look much better than the screen shots, even though i do believe using GPL'ed icons is acceptable i won't be using them.

Originally posted by steve0
This is not just a simple webmail theme. If no one is interested that is perfectly ok as i will end up with something for myself that my customers will drool over. I am still going to finish this project and i am going to encorporate everything that makes mine and my clients lives easyier. But going from the posts here i'd have to say that there are some people that might be interested.

It sure is good looking,
but I think that funcionality is something worth to pay.
A simple change of colors is not something I would call "makes my clients lives easyier".

A simple change of colors is not something I would call "makes my clients lives easyier".

This is "NOT" just a simple change of colors, i have no idea why you would think that :confused:

Hmm..
What kind of functionality dit you added?
Or some code changes to make it faster or bugfixes?

(Maybe I mist that part)

Triloxigen,

you should have started reading at the first thread, then you'd have seen that:

This is a
a complete custom skin for Horde that is the same as the plesk WinXP Reloaded Compact interface

Furthermore, steve0 is
thinking of making a horde skin for every plesk skin.

and further plans have also been laid out for all to comment on and as you can read steve0:

thinking of doing an addon for plesk that allows management of the horde skins through the plesk panel. etc .. so that if a client chooses a skin it auto switches the horde skin to the same plesk skin.

so, by definition - this skin is already much more than "just a skin" :)

I dit read the topic.

On other words, the only extra functionality is:
"thinking of doing an addon for plesk that allows management of the horde skins through the plesk panel. etc .. so that if a client chooses a skin it auto switches the horde skin to the same plesk skin."

And even for that it is not sure that it will be added?

But I know enough, I leave the topic :)

Thanks for that post liquidblaze ..

I think perhaps posting a list of features should help remove any confusion ..

Anyone like a list of features with a few more screen shots? let me know, i'll post some.

Originally posted by steve0
Thanks for that post liquidblaze ..

I think perhaps posting a list of features should help remove any confusion ..

Anyone like a list of features with a few more screen shots? let me know, i'll post some.

why ask us? just post away :D

Yeah, post away :)

And don't get discouraged.... hurry up ;)

Ok here is the list i am working on.

WebMail Module for Plesk
==============================================
[+] 1. Admin can specify default login page
[+] 2. Admin can specify default logout page
[+] 3. Admin can set a default logo image
[+] 4. Admin can set the welcome to message
[+] 5. Ability to set a default domain name, or set as customer domain name for each customer
[+] 6. Ability to add or remove Horde modules from the menus
[+] 7. Clients can have access to theme management
[+] 8. Admin can remove theme management from client and set a default theme
[+] 9. Clients can have access to outlook panel bar switching preferences
[+] 10. Admin can remove client access to panel bar switching preferences and set a default panel bar
[+] 11. Ability to switch the panel bar to outlook panel bar on a per client bases
[+] 12. Admin can switch the skins on a per customer bases to charge for premium skins
[+] 13. Admin can update client preferences on a client by client bases
[+] 14. Admin can turn on or off ability to match plesk skins set by a customer within plesk
[+] 15. Admin can customize skins through skin interface
[+] 16. Skin installer

looks interesting.

now, where are those screenshots again? :P

Sounds great steve0!

As someone who owns quite a few servers, I'm hoping the price will be reasonable and not silly like (in my opinion) SWsoft pricing ;)

Hi Steve0,

Features are just what we're waiting for, so perfect!
Let us know when you finished it and ofcourse the price. Keep on the good work.

and .... like LiquidBlaze already said.. where are the latest screenshots ? :)

Best regards,

LiquidSolid

Any eta on this? I am extremely interested.

You should all have some patience. I would rather wait and let Steve0 do it right, rather than have him be rushed to release the product (like Plesk and M$) :)

Software development should be like a fine wine or aged whiskey. Time allows it to become better and better... speaking of which, where did my bottle go?

I agree, but it would also be nice to um.. uh.. "Beta test" to help him out? I don't remember if that phrase is allowed around here or not.. :P

Yes, as long as the 'beta' is actually a beta, not an Alpha being called a 'beta', again like Plesk and M$ are prone to do.... :)

And an actual release which is a working product, not a 'beta' being called a release...

I hope I don't get in trouble with either Plesk or M$ for these statements....

Is it allready possible to download this theme or is it in work?

If you had bothered to even read half of the thread, you would know it has not been released yet.

Thank you for the Information! Sometimes it will bi better to read before to write :-D

In this case sorry for the question :)

No need to be sorry, I did not mean it to sound so badly. I've had a really rough long day. It is I that apologize for not choosing my words better.

I know how easy it is to not read an entire thread, but even on this page of the thread, Steve0 states "This is still being developed .. it is getting closer to completion everyday .. but is still a ways off yet .. going as fast as possible .. ", and already being in an irritated state of mind, I reacted with poorly chosen words.

I am sooo ready for this skin. I'm sure it will be fantastic.

Hi,

I know this is a nix forum, but will it work for windows ?

we'll see about windows after we have the nix version running.

When does the Skinpakage will be released?

Just to let you know that I will purchase this product for my clients once it becomes available.

I'd be interested also! Looks really nice. Great job! Too bad Horde chose such a horendous skin as their default.

Just a quick update for everyone ....

We are still working hard on this project and are getting close to having something for beta testing. i'll post some more screen shots when we get a little closer.

Thx! for the Update :)

Nice to hear that you are working on it!

good work!

Originally posted by steve0
I started doing this project for my own personal reasons, the fact is Horde was not giving me what i wanted. I have a few corporate clients that will not use horde because even though it does the same as say something like the Exchange webmail client it does not look as polished and thus they simply will not use it.
I have also fielded questions from customers, (customers that are new to webhosting), that are quite lost with all the differing interfaces and from my perspective it makes sence to have a more uniform look to the services i offer, thus cutting back on some of the calls and emails.
I have also become quite tired of making mods that i feel give me a more professional look that simply get overwritten by a plesk upgrade.
I have also read countless postes, (in other forums), of people not using horde simply because of the way it looks and opting for a much less robust webmail program because it looks like it does a better job.
I do not just offer webmail services through plesk to my clients, i have actually been using horde exclusively for over 2 years so i do see it from the perspective of the end user. IMHO Horde is by far one of the best webmail programs available.


I would agree, its solid and much faster on large mailfolders than squirrelmail, i have folders with upwards of 60000 emails in them and horde can handle it, only other webclient i found that didnt barf on large folders was openwebmail and horde other than its BUI "BuTT Ugly Interface" is a kick ass mail client.


http://www.kde-look.org/
The icons used in the screen shots are mostly GPL'ed some are plesks, please remember that the screen shots were taken from something that i use myself and was not intended to be sold as is. I simply wanted to see if there was any interest.
Obvoiusly the final product will have completely original icons and look much better than the screen shots, even though i do believe using GPL'ed icons is acceptable i won't be using them.

You can use the kde icons and would encourage you to do so as they are the nicest ones i have seen, unless you have something that looks better. could also use crystal's set that he sells which is where the kde ones are from IIRC.
I have done the same with the same icon sets and am also interested in using your themes even though i have gone through the more than painful process of manually switching out horde's icons for kde's icons. Actually im wanting to build kolab on plesk to give exchange functionality but lack the time to get things rolling. I have gone through though and saved all of the icons in a folder with the correct directory structure so i can just copy it back over when the next plesk upgrade breaks everything. Of course i will have to focus on horde after i fix whatever else plesk breaks during my upgrade which basically break lots of stuff everytjime it seems.

Looking forward to you finishing this and for anyone who just wants the icons i will happily zip up what i have done and email them to anyone who is interested. here is a screenshot of what my version of horde looks like. This is running on plesk 7.54 on Debian Sarge so you may have to drop them someplace other than where mine fall but i have them from the top of the horde tree so it shouldnt be an issue, your mileage may vary though.

here is a screenshot of the icon set i modified.
http://www.pervasivenetwerks.com/images/hordescreenshot.jpg

I am so interested with your new project, and I wish you get it over soon, and we can use it soon!

I use Horde with a company with 50 employee and I have got allot of complains from them because of the interface and some message composing problems, like when they write a message with the HTML format, the message never deliver in the right form! The receiver gets it very messy. So they tried to make the format on Microsoft Word and still the same problem!
I hope you can make new ideas with the rich text format, try to make it simple like Gmail and effective.

Thanks

Been watching this tread for months and decided to add my encouragement.

I'm eagerly awaiting this release and would like to be able to give it to my clients as an Xmas present.

On the oher hand, I'd rather it be "right" than "soon" so that it doesn't add to support and upgrade issues.

What is the price for that? Looks very nice.

I've been keeping my eye on this too. I would certainly buy a license and install it on my server. I have clients that use webmail quite a bit and this would make their experience much more user friendly.

David

BUMP

I'm eager for a beta... :P

Me, too!

Any news now?

quite frankly, projects (of that rather small magnitude) that don't lift of some weeks after the announcement never really do. it's usually a one man project and the man lost interest, has better things to do with his spare time, no reason to blame him. but we should get over with it and do it on our own if we really want this..

PAT

AFAIK he is still working on it, or at least hasn't said otherwise.

Originally posted by perler
quite frankly, projects (of that rather small magnitude) that don't lift of some weeks after the announcement never really do. it's usually a one man project and the man lost interest, has better things to do with his spare time, no reason to blame him. but we should get over with it and do it on our own if we really want this..

PAT

I am still working on this project, i have not stoped or given up, i will not stop until the project is completed and when i release it it will not be bugy it will simply work.

... It is not a small project by any stretch of the imagination as it is not just a skin for Horde, it is also a complete management module for Horde that allows you to manage just about everything through the plesk admin panel.

Sorry if i'm taking along time but you will understand when you see it. I do promise you all one thing though, if i decided to stop working on this i will post it here, but as i said before - stoping this project will never happen, it's being built period.

Well Steve0 is there someing we can do to assist you with development, ie setup a project site, beta test etc

Not yet but getting close to needing some beta testers ... thanks for the offer ..

my offer still stands :-)

I would also be happy to beta test your skin/module it looks amazing!
Keep up the good work

I need a mirror of wps_blue.tar.gz

is the beta test still running or is there a final release available

no release or somthing more info?

after 3 month? as is suspected, never ever.. get over it..

PAT

If anybody have wps_blue.tar.gz pls send me on mail or post the link...



Tnx

Igor Stojkovic
admin@indjija.com

Wow I started off reading this thread pretty excited, since you were posting screen shots the beginning of August, so I'm paging through the post anticipating a result somewhere before now.

I know what it takes to push software out the door there are many things that we don't think of at the beginning. So this isn't a huge surprise that it isn't finished yet.

Where are you at now, and now that you are there and can look back and know what still needs to be done, how close to you at pushing this product out the door?

Miles

Excuse my ignorance but would it not have been better to just incorporate horde into the PLESK control panel, or at the very least do an iframe window inside of the plesk control panel? With the ladder atleast it would have only been adding a skin to the horde program and placing an iframe in the panel.

hmm -hang in there dude, i'm down for a copy.

also are there ANY skins for horde?

Have you guys seen http://www.nutsmail.com? Its a pretty good interface, I have it installed on my server as the default mailer.

yeah i like that too but that's for squirrelmail and we're speaking of horde

although horde is quite an impressive projekt, i sometimes wish plesk had opted for squirrelmail. i used to offer it to my clients for years (pre-plesk) and although it was not very sophisticated, all clients got along with it.

after the switch to horde they come along too, but horde has some technicalities i get as an IT guy, but they are from a users perspective simply "wrong done" (that whole html posts as attachment thingy ("hey support, i've got an attachement, but where is it?").

anyway, steve0 - remember when i showed some scepticism about that project of yours? what's your answers 5 months after your announcement? isn't it time to give the source to the public, make a source forge project out of it? sure, making money with this project is a good idea, but for this, you should start delivering ;)

PAT

[edited typo]

Just wanted to post some screen shots of the module itself, i know it is taking along time for this but am working on it as fast as possible and it is coming along ...

April 3rd
All screenshots removed .. product is released .. HordeSkinsPlus (http://www.sarito.com)

This is the Plesk modules page with the webmail module installed.

This is the webmail general setup page, this configures server wide settings for horde, apps and skins.

This is the client management section which allows you to configure horde, apps and skins on a client bases or single domain bases.

Client section again, showing available domains of selected clients, clicking on a domain name will allow individual configuration of that domain.

Clicking on a client name in the client management section will take you to the configuration page for that client. These settings override the default server settings in general setup and affect all domains owned by this client except domains being individualy managed. i.e. you can setup a webmail portal using these settings, a custom login page can be used for all domains under a client with a drop down list of domain names on the login screen. (yahoo portal type sites) This can be configured for resellers. Each client can have thier own custom webmail setup, completely seperate from the default server setup.

Individual domain management, these settings override the server wide settings in general setup and client configuration settings. Every domain on the server can be setup with there own horde settings and skins.

Well i hope that gives you a better idea of whats on the horizon ... i'll post some more screen shots in a week or 2 ..

ok, that looks quite impressive. are you in contact with sw-soft so that it doesn't break with the next plesk version? if it takes you as long to adjust to such breakage as it did so far to create the whole beast you will get into trouble..

PAT

Originally posted by perler
ok, that looks quite impressive. are you in contact with sw-soft so that it doesn't break with the next plesk version? if it takes you as long to adjust to such breakage as it did so far to create the whole beast you will get into trouble..

PAT

Maintenance is hardly the same as developing something from scratch ..

What about those of us who do not need all the per client domain stuff,

alot of us just want the theme you designed origionally for it to be across the board for all customers

What about those of us who do not need all the per client domain stuff,
alot of us just want the theme you designed origionally for it to be across the board for all customers

Then you would simply use the general setup page which is for configuring horde apps and skins server wide, ( across the board for all customers). In other words all clients and all domains on the server use these configuration settings unless you manage them seperately through the client section.

Product released
HordeSkinsPlus (http://www.sarito.com)

Wow, keep it rolling. My boss is already ready to put down for this on our servers. :D

All I can say is you better bring this to market quick. sw-soft will be rolling out 8.0 in short order, and you don't know what that might break, or if your addition will even be needed anymore.

Where can i buy it? :D

I really like the integration aspects of your package and my company would be interested in using your mod. Please keep us advised as to your progress and also don't give away too much to nthe developers at SW-Soft or they will be including it themselves in 8.0!

Originally posted by ZopfWare
I really like the integration aspects of your package and my company would be interested in using your mod. Please keep us advised as to your progress and also don't give away too much to nthe developers at SW-Soft or they will be including it themselves in 8.0!
thinking about how long we wait for this thing i would rather prefer this :p

;)

PAT

Originally posted by perler
thinking about how long we wait for this thing i would rather prefer this :p

;)

PAT

WOW! thanks a lot PAT ... You give SWsoft with all thier resources 6 months between major releases of thier own product, ( which i'm not complaining about so don't take it that way), but you wont give me the time i need to finish my project the right way.

Perhaps you don't realize this but i do have a day job because i actually have to work for a living. Regardless of this after my day job i am still putting in 8 hours of work 7 days a week to this project and if SWsoft wants to include something like this in their next release then great. But i do not believe it will be anything close to what i am doing because it is way to much work that would detract from everything else they are doing..

Look this is taking a long time for good reason, perhaps i should not have asked if anyone was interested in something like this to begin with but i thought it would be interesting to find out and thought maybe posting some screen shots of the progress of the project would be interesting as it is my first project with Plesk. But if you are really that dead set against this then why don't you go post in another thread and leave this one for those that are interested.

Originally posted by steve0
WOW! thanks a lot PAT ...

Look this is taking a long time for good reason, perhaps i should not have asked if anyone was interested in something like this to begin with but i thought it would be interesting to find out and thought maybe posting some screen shots of the progress of the project would be interesting as it is my first project with Plesk. But if you are really that dead set against this then why don't you go post in another thread and leave this one for those that are interested.
first: my posting had smileys.

second: it's your project, no doubt, you decide how you handle this, but when you go public, you must expect reactions. i told you in this thread about my opinions how this project could produce results faster. make it public. get some help.

ok, you want the profit for yourself, which is absolutelyt OK,so, how about this:

release a part of the project (the skin?!) early, make it affordable.

3 reasons:

first: you get feedback, which encourages
second: you get an idea about the demand
thrid: you get some money into you pocket which rewards or even lets you hire someone.

the way you do it, i fear, you will end up with a late release, that you won't be able to support and which you won't be able to repair fast enough when it breaks because of changes in plesk itself.

sorry when this sounds harsh, I don't mean it that evil, i would rather like to see a well polished mail system for plesk on my server and you with the girls in hawaii spending my money..

PAT

Originally posted by perler
first: my posting had smileys.

PAT

Sorry PAT to tired today, i guess i took your post the wrong way .. i apologize . .

Anyway here are somemore screen shots, just how each skin looks on the login page ..
.. all of the plesk skins work.

screenshots removed... product released..

Nice job, Steve.

I'm playing catch up on this post a bit ... has anyone actually got a working 'Plesk' style skin for Horde or are they still in the development stage....

or are they still in the development stage....

Still being developed, but getting very close now.

Ok .. sounds promising, we're just switching to Plesk so it would be nice to get the skin integrated right from the start, how close are you, days .. weeks ?? How much will be charging for the skin ??

Originally posted by energylevel
how close are you, days .. weeks ?? How much will be charging for the skin ??

Will be officially beta testing in May, have not put much thought into pricing yet.

Are there any updates on this skin, etc?

Will be officially beta testing in May, have not put much thought into pricing yet.

Umm, he just gave an update and timeframe for beta-testing. The more time he spends here answering a ton of questions, the less time he has to spend on the project.

Thanks...I thought there were two pieces of the project (the skin and the application for plesk). I apologize, I am kinda new to this message string.

Thanks for the warm welcome though. ;)

Didn't mean to sound rude. :-) I thought it was just one project with the skins and Plesk application lumped into one. I'm personally mainly looking for the skin.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I think you are right, now that I have read through the early posts again. No harm, No faul...best regards.

Nice.. ;) Hope it's gonna be finished soon and support horde 4.

Any info about release date?
Does skin will support PSA8?
Prices?

Overtimed skin, but i still wanna them ^)

What i personally would love to have in the meantime is even just a listing of what files control the look and feel for the login page. I have made some mods to my horde installation quite some time ago for anyone who is interested i put them up for download on my personal website.

What i have done is taken the KDE icons from crystal iconset to replace all the icons in horde.

i have this as a zip file you can unzip over the top of the psa-horde folder. All the paths for icons are correct as installed on Plesk reloaded 7.5.4 on Debian Stable

You can download them from here
http://timothytuck.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=78&Itemid=51

javascript:smilie(':cool:')

could you please put the file someplace where we don't need to register?

and do you have a screenshot?

thanks,

PAT

done. now anyone have a listing of files to modify to customize the login page. i know how to do the theme's and in the next month or so i hope to get around to it. i will gladly share whatever i come up with.

screenshot is here (http://timothytuck.com/images/stories/kde/screenshot.jpg)

:cool:

nice job.. is it compatible to horde 4?
cause plesk now has horde 4...

by the way.. does anybody know what the virtual folders are for? whats the difference between ordinary folders and virtual folders??

Originally posted by _tek
done. now anyone have a listing of files to modify to customize the login page. i know how to do the theme's and in the next month or so i hope to get around to it. i will gladly share whatever i come up with.

screenshot is here (http://timothytuck.com/images/stories/kde/screenshot.jpg)

:cool:
i'm still requested to login for the download - do i miss something here?

thanks for you work anyway,

PAT

Went back in and modified it again, it shouldnt require a login now for you to download it.

It should work fine with horde4 (cant check my version right now)although i will be verifiying that later this week if it doesnt support it the worst thing that would happen is you would not get the new icons when you dropped it on top of your installation.

you can easily check by unzipping the achive and checking names and file paths.

ok, it's working now, thanks!

PAT

the path of the files in the zip directory are wrong. i will correct this and recreate the folder. if you unzip the file it puts everything in /home/tek/Projekts/psa-horde

ill fix this and re-upload the file as soon as i fix my qmail pains. give me 48 hours and ill have a corrected update.

i can also report that it does in fact work with horde4- broke qmail doing the upgrades which is why 48 hours.

Plesk is like a beautiful car held together with old ailing ducktape. update anything and run the risk of breaking everything. at least the icons don't break a damn thing.

:confused: :confused: :confused:
:( :( :(
:mad: :mad: :mad:

Ok, fixed all issues. take this zip file (http://timothytuck.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=78&Itemid=51) drop it into your psa-horde folder and just unzip it, it only overwrites your icon images in your horde installation. It works on Horde3 and Horde4. I will also verify later this week that it works with standalone horde installations (Dependant on some/ANY free time)

While i love what Steve0 is working on for now im cool just having horde look good. i will be working on a skin for horde going forward too, while i know how to change it for inside of horde via the themes i do not yet know which files to change for the default login screens and would love to start there if anyone can let me know what files that is i will gladly do the rest.

i started a similar project together with my brother but because of lack of time we didn't came very far until now.

but, one idea we had and which may be worth considering is to create the templates in a way, that they use the graphics which plesk uses in the admin panel. this way you have a consistent look and avoid any copyright problems because you just link to the icons already installed on the system.

if you even read out the actual theme of the user in question from the psa db you have a consistent look all over plesk and webmail without setting up anything.

PAT

If i understand you correctly what your talking about you would be dropping a bunch of symlinks and if for some reason that image didnt exist you have a broken icon. much easier to just overwrite the images.

Major reason i was doing this is

A: I like Horde but it has a ugly look to it

and

B: I want to build Kolab which uses horde in an attempt to provide an exchange server replacement with horde as the web-based interface to it.

Its all totally experimental stuff (the horde part of kolab) and since i use kontact i wanted to create a more consistent look and feel from kontact to kolab. That is why i chose the KDE icons plus they are all GPL.

This work should all be totally compatible with plain ole horde and plesks version of horde or anyone elses for that matter.

The next phase of this i will start creating some new themes to give horde an even better look and feel. This part i might be able to do by linking to the images plesk but then it only works for plesk. I would like to use the same images plesk uses to draw the side and top bars in the plesk control panel though and possibly a few more as i get a better feel for making horde themes.

Honestly im shocked nobody else has done this yet, i searched around for a long time before i did this and only did this after i couldnt find anything for horde to make it look better.

I would really like to submit these back upstream for horde itself as i think its a huge improvement to how horde looks. So far all my customers love the look.
:D

Im posting this cause i have spent a lot of time looking for documentation on Horde and creating themes and such to make horde look really nice.

Well today i finally found SOME documentation so im posting it here to share in case someone else has more free time then i do, and if anyone wants to collaborate on it hit me up.

I work 12-18 hours a day pretty much everyday but if and when i find free time this is the kind of thing i tend to work on.

here is some links to documentation on themes and such.
Wiki-Dev-Layout (http://wiki.horde.org/Doc/Dev/Layout?Horde=89068dd5308a7d09bbbe9682288ad75)

Wiki-Dev-Themes (http://wiki.horde.org/Doc/Dev/Themes?Horde=89068dd5308a7d09bbbe9682288ad75&referrer=Doc%2FDev%2FLayout)

damn, this looks great :)
looking forward to it
i'll sure buy it !!

_tek you shouldn't have hijacked this topic :x

Does anyone know whats the status of steve0's project?

same question here.
damn long.

wanna buy steve0 skin.

WHERE RELEASE ?! ^)

Hi everyone ... just squashing some bugs .. the installer took a little longer to complete than anticipated ..

It is looking like it will be ready for release towards the end of this month or sooner, i have put up some new screen shots as the others are out dated now - and have included shots of the other apps.

In no particular order
product released (http://www.sarito.com)

OMG!!!! WANNA BUY!!! ^)

can you say prices? ^)

Originally posted by Osmolovsky
OMG!!!! WANNA BUY!!! ^)

can you say prices? ^)

I have not given pricing much thought as of yet but will let everyone know very soon now . .

Great work Steve0~!!!~

Let us know when you release it !!!

Have fun !

Let me know as well

looks nice) :D

Add me to the wanna-buy list too.....

wow - that looks SO cool.

please add me to the "WANT IT!" list

cant deny it, i want it too... it looks really good, and im sure my clients would enjoy viewing horde as a good looking, usable, configurable tool.

me too ... i'll buy that for sure. nice job.

its been another month steveO, hows it going?

Can i buy a beta copy for testing on our servers?

contact me via PM

Almost there, just fixing some bugs . .. PM on it's way..

I would be very interested in beta testing it as well. PM Me when its ready!

Originally posted by steve0
Almost there, just fixing some bugs . .. PM on it's way..

dont forget those (like me) who expressed interest back a year ago ...

Originally posted by liquidblaze
dont forget those (like me) who expressed interest back a year ago ...

Not forgotten .. :-)

Same with me good sir. = )

Originally posted by liquidblaze
dont forget those (like me) who expressed interest back a year ago ...
or those like me, who've been sceptical about the timetable since a year minus 4 days ;)

PAT (watching the pigs flying in frozen hell..)

Originally posted by steve0
Not forgotten .. :-)

good to know :-)

Hi All!/SteveO

I've just come across this forum - some very interesting reading.. I really like your work SteveO! – screenshots and functionality well worth the wait!

I will defiantly be interested in either the beta or full release version! Just let me know!

With all the interest that this module is drawing you may be able to give that day job and focus of a maintaining this and developing other projects!

Good luck!!

Cheers

Matt

I've been following this thread for a while... I'm glad that it's finally going to come out soon.

Great job! Looking forward to the final version.

Originally posted by daboolz
I've been following this thread for a while... I'm glad that it's finally going to come out soon.

i just envy your optimism!

btw, happy first announcement anyversary steve0! nine more to go (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever) ;)

PAT

I've been watching this topic aswell, I think it looks fantastic! I'm ready to spend some money on that ;)

I've been watching this thread for a long time, one question I have is this.

Will this work with any Horde install base on all PSA systems?

In other words, if I move off 7.5.x and on to 8 will this still work?

Thanks, looking forward to a release date.

Originally posted by Galactic Zero

Will this work with any Horde install base on all PSA systems?

In other words, if I move off 7.5.x and on to 8 will this still work?

Thanks, looking forward to a release date.

Yes it works on every Plesk system from 7.5 up.

Very nice skins indeed.
What's the status?
Is there a site to track this project?

Regards,
Raul

Originally posted by raulcarvalho

What's the status?
Is there a site to track this project?

Regards,
Raul

Just about ready .. testing - checking - re-checking and correcting. Going as fast as possible - really!

The website will be live shortly. ..

The project as i understand is free.
will it be open source? If is don't would you like to create a bug track ?

thank you for your work anyway.
:)

no it's not free and it won't be open source, read somewhere up in the thread; when it became clear, that he won't get the product out of the door i asked him of opening it up, so that we can help, which he ignored.

steve0 promisses a lot and delivers nothing but screenshots - i wouldn't count on it..

PAT

Originally posted by perler
no it's not free and it won't be open source, read somewhere up in the thread; when it became clear, that he won't get the product out of the door i asked him of opening it up, so that we can help, which he ignored.

I said from the first few posts it would not be free.

I think from the many screenshots and updates i have given that i have made it very clear that i am not giving up on it and that i am working on it everyday and that it is getting closer and closer to being ready. I am trying to keep everyone informed as best i can i'm sorry if i made it seem like the project was dead, this project is very much alive.

steve0 promisses a lot and delivers nothing but screenshots - i wouldn't count on it..


The only thing i promised, (if you read through the threads), was that i would not give up on the project and that it will absolutely without a shadow of a doubt be finished and released. I refuse to deliver something that is crap especially when it could affect someone else's business.

I thought the screenshots would help to show everyone how far along the project is as i am trying to keep everyone informed.

However, i do understand your frustration and i sincerely appologize for taking so long but it is an amazing product and well worth the wait in my humble opinion.

Originally posted by steve0
I said from the first few posts it would not be free.

I think from the many screenshots and updates i have given that i have made it very clear that i am not giving up on it and that i am working on it everyday and that it is getting closer and closer to being ready. I am trying to keep everyone informed as best i can i'm sorry if i made it seem like the project was dead, this project is very much alive.



The only thing i promised, (if you read through the threads), was that i would not give up on the project and that it will absolutely without a shadow of a doubt be finished and released. I refuse to deliver something that is crap especially when it could affect someone else's business.

I thought the screenshots would help to show everyone how far along the project is as i am trying to keep everyone informed.

However, i do understand your frustration and i sincerely appologize for taking so long but it is an amazing product and well worth the wait in my humble opinion.

man, just dont mind the lesser minds that want to diminish your work, keep it up and let us know when is ready and for sale :) believe me there will be lots of people buying it.

cheers!

It is Steve0's privillage to give the application for free or to sell it. I respect the way he is working (small team - much work) and i will wait till the horde with Plesk Interface (HwPI) is ready.

Any update on this, is there a beta I can test, please PM if there is. I'd be interested in buying when it's released ......

Still working on it ..

What sort of timescales are we looking at ???

the same "mythical month" as last time i would guess..

i mean, how naive are you guys?! just read the thread and check the post dates of steves posts and which timeframes were given and you will see, that you won't see this product in your lifetime and if you do, you won't be able to update your plesk if it breaks his vaporware, because steve will need another year for an update..

we offered help, he refused.. it's a joke, sadly..

PAT

perler, please keep your nonsence kiddy comments out of the way, if he refused the help, IT IS HIS BUSINESS not yours, if he takes more time than he expected, YET AGAIN, is HIS BUSINESS not yours.

I encourage the wait, and wait for the final product, either for a price or for free, will be something worth having it.

and i doubt this and call it naive - i've seen this type of projects come and go and know for sure, that in almost all cases, they are not worth waiting for them.

see, when you have a product inhouse, appearently "working", for over a year and you see a huge demand to make money from it and you are not able bring it out - why is this? you may not have the manpower to finish it - ok, then buy the manpower or let other help you on a different business model - may this be open source, ransom publishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_publishing_model) or whatever. if you are not able to do any of this you are appearently not interested in bringing it out or you are just not able. in both cases you will end up with either no product or a bad one; and if you have it out, you will need to support it - how will you do it with this one man, side job approach? do you really expect that people pay for it?

and beside, it is not steve's business, it is NO BUSINESS and i'm free to comment on it, why shouldn't i? he goes public, you comment public, i comment public - so stop trying to censor me, thankyouverymuch ;)


PAT

Originally posted by perler
and i doubt this and call it naive - i've seen this type of projects come and go and know for sure, that in almost all cases, they are not worth waiting for them.

You have not seen anything like this product because there has never been anything built for plesk like it before.

Originally posted by perler

see, when you have a product inhouse, appearently "working", for over a year

I am not using this product in house, its not ready .. were did you see me post that?

Originally posted by perler

and you see a huge demand to make money from it and you are not able bring it out - why is this?

Short answer - because its not ready.

Just because there may or may not be a market for your product does not mean you should rush something out the door. I'm not doing this just to make money, i want the product to be a professional product that people can depend on. It's going to be around for a very very long time.

Rushing it out the door just to make a buck would be foolish and very unprofessional - just my opinion.

Originally posted by perler

you may not have the manpower to finish it - ok, then buy the manpower or let other help you on a different business model - may this be open source, ransom publishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_publishing_model) or whatever. if you are not able to do any of this you are appearently not interested in bringing it out or you are just not able. in both cases you will end up with either no product or a bad one; and if you have it out, you will need to support it - how will you do it with this one man, side job approach? do you really expect that people pay for it?


Product support is absolutely paramount- so i'm very pleased to see that you understand the importance of this. It also means you understand that i'm not just building a simple product but one that has the required infastructure in place which unfortunately takes time to implement properly.

Originally posted by perler

and beside, it is not steve's business, it is NO BUSINESS and i'm free to comment on it, why shouldn't i? he goes public, you comment public, i comment public - so stop trying to censor me, thankyouverymuch ;)
PAT

Pat i welcome all comments good and bad, they only help me explain the product in more detail, and encourage me to keep working even harder to make sure the product is first class all the way. :)

Steve,

Perhaps you can select a few testers to help you test your product. That would surely both help you out and remove any doubt in the minds of those who have posted on this thread. I believe people will begin ignoring this thread entirely as no proof exists and it will no longer be worth their while to bother.

I've been a supporter, but admittedly am beginning to have doubts myself if this product will ever be released.

- Matt.

To have a professional application you should have some beta testers ready ti test till the bone your software. Also a Bug tracking system would be great.

My opinion my type of work.

Yeah - you gotta have testers to validate the thing actually works, and works properly... both positive path (as-expected) and negative path (try-to-break-it)

As a test manager for a major company (I won't tell you the name, but the initials are IBM) I've never seen a product, no matter what the size, released without some sort of formal testing invovled. OpenSource is a little different since you're not paying for it - but still they usually have a group of testers and bug reports, etc.

At this point, with this long delay in mind, I'm looking to fill my needs with another product such as:

@Mail
http://atmail.com/

or maybe even roundcube (they offer a beta and a forum for feedback!)
http://roundcube.net/

Nonetheless, I'm still VERY interested to see this once its released... I'm just not holding my breath anymore.
It might be different if Steve would reply with some sort of date in mind or some progress/milestones so we'd know where he's at. All we know is that it's not done yet.
The lack of such progress/status/milestones over such a long time squelches my curiosity.

Originally posted by dtb71

Nonetheless, I'm still VERY interested to see this once its released... I'm just not holding my breath anymore.
It might be different if Steve would reply with some sort of date in mind or some progress/milestones so we'd know where he's at. All we know is that it's not done yet.
The lack of such progress/status/milestones over such a long time squelches my curiosity.

I'm sorry to hear that but i'm really not sure how to reply to these posts anymore . .

If you read through the thread you can see that the product is progressing everytime i post something.
I did post a date but i missed it because there were bugs found when "testing it"

All i can say is i'm not giving up, i'm going to finish this project and it's going to be a kick ass mod for Plesk.

+1 month after your last message about your project, Steve.
Any info?
How much more left?

And still no info.

Project die? Or close-close to end again? ^)

Maybe SWsoft have made him an offer and will include it in Plesk 9 ;)

Looks like it might be dead this project ???

..from the very beginning as i stated, from the very beginning, in my endless and almighty wisdom ;)

PAT

Its not dead, i'm scrambling to pay my bills the last couple months thats all . .

steve0 please pay mine 2 :D

hey SteveO, were looking at updating our email interface with something simpler for clients, but we have to do it soon, i love your interface and would be willing to wait for it, but is there any way you can give the community here a reasonable timeline???

it seems like your pretty close....

I egarly await your response.


P.S. although im new to the SWsoft forums, im very active in others, and i really believe in the community when it comes to helping eachother out, im sure many of us would be willing to help you beta test and troubleshoot code if you need it.

That way we can all take advantage of this app much sooner;)

I posted in here a long time ago about releasing a icon set for horde. It still exists and its a straight drop-in replacement.

If you have not read through the whole thread to find it here it is again. While i would love to see Steve0's work actually be released or at least some form of milestone chart done up with even old dates for the completed parts so we get a idea of the pace.

So if you would like to make horde look better NOW! check it out.
Horde-Icon Set (http://www.timothytuck.com/content/view/34/39/).

Hopefully Steve0 does get something released at some point, i myself am interested in his project. I have much smaller needs though, i don't need a graphical installer and other very nice things. Just want horde to look as good as it works. My .02 cents and a way to get there.
:-)
Tnt
PS. You can also find it up on freshmeat.net

I suggest for people needing a new Horde skin to go for the skin mentioned in this (http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?threadid=36648&) thread until steve0 has finished his project.

Here are some screenshots of the skin: http://www.w8.se/screenshots .

Good luck :)

Heya Steve..

Any closer to a release candidate?

Hy SteveO,

we're also tired of the ugly horde standard themes.

We have a bigger server-farm of pleskservers (also for testings). So if you need one more betatester or your work has finished and your theme is available please let us know.

this one needs a bump

sure does.

Steve0, is this project still alive?

Does anyone know where I can get a good and nice Horde skin without paying too much?

Originally posted by k.satirli

Steve0, is this project still alive?

Yes it is, it is being tested on all versions of Plesk to ensure there are no issues.

I'm interested in this too now.

Default horde looks boring and needs spicing up :)

Matt

I visited this post in 2002.

I just can't believe that steve0 has not finish it. 5 long years for a skin ?

My gosh, how long do we have to wait? 10 years, 20 years ?

also, steve0, why don't you sell a version for developers who don't need to installer ?

Seems that you are investing to much time in that.

I had to buy atmail. But I have to admit that it is slow, the ajax code is very heavy to download, and some clients with low B/W complain. So, horde's still a great option.

I had almost forgotted about this one.

Just replacing my server prior to installing Plesk. The current server is a PowerEdge 3250 with two Itanium2 dual 1.4GHz cpus, but because they're ia64, Plesk won't support them.....well unless you pay out $1000 on virtuozzo and then buy Plesk.

Got a HP Proliant DL360 G3 with 2 x Xeon 2.8GHz cpus on its way. Its only 1u compared with the 3250s 2u design.

Putting the PowerEdge 3250 on ebay next week here in the UK.

Let's hope Steve0 updates us soon. Had to demo webmail on my current Plesk 7.x vps today, and it reminded me how nasty it looks.

Matt

I gave up and just moved my larger clients to Google Hosted Domains. :/

i just can't believe that someone is still beating that dead horse ;)

PAT

So, it was all fake ?

Only the screenshots were real ?

The whole thing was a hoax and this thread is genetically modified so that you cannot unsubscribe from it. For the next 5 years you will be notified about the fake "Horde with Plesk Interface" every time some idiot stumbles upon this thread.

WHERE IS steveO ?

Maybe he is still working on the template, maybe it is alredy done.

Can somebody knows what really happened to Steve0 ??

I'm still here and still working on this project, it is by no means a fake there are just a lot of elements to the whole project that have to go through testing before it is released as a stable product.

currently it has been tested with every version of Horde that each version of plesk came with plus every version in between so that if you have upgraded your version of horde the product will still work as advertised.

Something will be released within the next month.

Originally posted by mysticav
I visited this post in 2002.

I just can't believe that steve0 has not finish it. 5 long years for a skin ?



That seems very unlikely, if you look at the very first post you'll see i started the thread 4th August 2005.

Originally posted by steve0
That seems very unlikely, if you look at the very first post you'll see i started the thread 4th August 2005. Okay, so 2 years and 3 months for a skin? Still pretty crazy if you ask me...

I gave up on this a while ago.

Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that this product is officially released today for FreeBSD servers.

This first product has been named HordeSkinsPlus and incorporates the look and feel of the Plesk control panel. It includes an add-on module for Plesk that also lets you customize and brand each individual domain on your server.

Please review the product here http://www.sarito.com and let us know what you think.

Your patience during this long development cycle has been and is very much appreciated.

wow that's great news steve! You'll get an order from me once you put the 7.5 version available.

There's one thing I'm missing on the website though, it might be me that's blind but I couldn't find any screenshots of the product there except for the small thumbs rotating?

No screens yet but there will be .. the website is not exactly complete yet still a few things to do .. its coming though slowly but surely . .

You are going to make a killing here.
There is a real niche market, but I assume you worked that out :-)

I will purchase centos version for plesk 8.1 when it is available.

However, we all know how tempramental Plesk can be.
I will need to research functionality issues, first, if I am going to pay.
(I only resort to the "s*ck it and see" option when things are open source or "own risk")

So... fill us with confidence - and win us for life!

This is spot on, just what any Plesk server needs to finish the look. I always felt that the webmail interface let Plesk down as it was so naf and basic, but you have done what the Plesk team failed to do. Well Done!

I would be interested in seeing a demo if this in action with the Plesk module. Once I'm happy with the functions and installation I'll be purchasing for my upcoming server install.

Matt

However, we all know how tempramental Plesk can be.
I will need to research functionality issues, first, if I am going to pay.
(I only resort to the "s*ck it and see" option when things are open source or "own risk")

So... fill us with confidence - and win us for life!

This i can completely understand and we have tried to make this product in a way that it will not interfere with your working webmail at all. There are multiple things being checked during and after installation and If the product fails for any reason it simply reverts back to the default horde look and feel instantly without stopping horde so your customers will never be interrupted. Having the product work in such a way as to not interfere with your running server has been a very high priority and of major concern to us right from the start, its part of the reason development took so long. The running of your business is as important to us as the running of our own business.

The running of your business is as important to us as the running of our own business.

I've been watching this thread for quite some time.
(don't forget to invite perler & mysticav to the release party)

Looking at the new website and going through some of the old posts here, it looks like this will suit my needs almost perfectly. Some great ideas such as turning on and off some Horde programs. My clients just want to read their email when they are out of town or deal with an email issue so that they can get back to using Outlook - no calendars, notepads, etc. in webmail.

Seriously, most of my clients believe they became IT professionals the day they learnt to copy/paste.

If only I could configure server-wide Horde options via Plesk like using the Trash Bin, auto-configured to clean itself every month, rather than "Purge Deleted" - then I would not be consistently told "I deleted it but it didn't *go*"

Anyway, the product is looking good. I have waited and can wait a bit longer. Keep the ball rolling, my money's ready.

Another thought with more and more people using the internet functions of there phones, would be a phone browser friendly interface if someone logins via there phone.

I know I use my iPhone allot these days for web browsing on the move, more then my old Sony P990 and the P910i. Just a thought.

Matt

Once we get our forums up and running we will have a section for feature requests which i hope you will post in. . . we will be adding features and improvements on an ongoing bases. This is just the beginning.

Of course, I wouldn't object to beta testing if need be.

I seem to find myself looking almost every day.
Release Dates (http://www.sarito.com/index.php/releasedates.html)
Plesk 8.1 for Linux - CentOS 4.x 64bit

FreeBSD 7.5 and 8.3 versions were released today, this makes all versions for FreeBSD available and we are now concentrating on getting the Linux versions out ASAP.

When will a demo be online for us to see and try?

Also you mention "Yahoo/Gmail type email portals available" is this a full plugin feature with functions so I can provide a Yahoo/Gmail style service to clients?

Matt

At the moment we are concentrating our efforts on the Linux installers so although a demo is on the list, it is not at the top of the list.

Also you mention "Yahoo/Gmail type email portals available" is this a full plugin feature with functions so I can provide a Yahoo/Gmail style service to clients?

It means that within the plesk module you have the ability to also set the login and logout page of each individual domain or a group of domains to a specific login/logout page. This allows you the freedom to create your own login page('s) that one or many domains can use with sign up features, you decide which one('s). We will be providing sample login pages that you can use and customize on any website and we will be building on this to include full features and functions in later versions.

It's just the beginning!

Any idea on pricing and expected release date for CentOS 5.x ?

Matt

250 per server unlimited license and we are working on the linux installers now so it should be released this month.

Keep checking the release dates (http://www.sarito.com/index.php/releasedates.html) on our website we'll update them frequently.

That is to bad, i cant spend that much for what essentially i pay for but i give away for free. I have a 30 seat license and didnt even pay that much for plesk.
Guess its good i built my horde-icon set waay back when. Sure it doesn't do everything yours does but it does what i care about the most which is just make horde look good server wide.

And for anyone else who looks at this and thinks this is to much money, i would point you to the icon set i released GPL. Just download it to your plesk/horde default install forlder /usr/share/psa-horde on most linux systems and unzip the file. instantly you have a much better looking horde installation

You can download it for free from my website.
http://www.timothytuck.com
All the stuff i have done i give away for free and i have a fair amount of time in each, if you appreciate some of what i have done please consider donating from my homepage.

I will also now start on making up a couple of really good looking css templates for horde, so if anyone has any ideas let me know from my homepage as i never check this thread and now at 250 i have no reason to check it again unfortunately.

Price is a little high. I won't purchase straight away, possbily in 6 months but only if that's dollars and not pounds. If that's pounds I will just replace Horde with another client as posted on Atomics site.

How do you add icons to Horde then?

Matt

You will find an acceptible option here (http://www.w8.se/horde)
This link was mentioned way back at the start of this thread.
I have been using it.
It is an OK theme for Horde.

But neither the above nor the psa-horde_kdeicons.zip options have any of the Plesk intereface options that I am hoping for with stev0's plan.

Furthermore. I will take the ease of a click via Plesk anyday over the manual headache of the two above options - which still leave all the old (ugly) Horde themes available for the end user to choose, anyway - unless you spend hours cleaning up this option also. I guess I'm too busy with other things.

We have added some of the latest screen shots to the website which you can see here

New Screen Shots (http://www.sarito.com/index.php/screenshots.html)

We will add more and also get a demo up as soon as we can.

nice work, but way to expensive for a skin

However it's an entire in depth application and theme management system - allowing theme and application customization and private branding on an individual domain basis - seemlessly integrated with Plesk.

That makes it deserve a " wow ! "

eilko, you may not have seen the screen shots of the application.

http://www.sarito.com/index.php/screenshots.html

Rene

Waiting...
Plesk 8.1 for Linux
CentOS 3.6 and 4.x i586

Some last minute things .. will be available next week.

Is there a demo site up and running yet?

I'm not keen on investing till I see a demo version.


Matt

We will have a demo available as soon as we are done testing the Linux installers.

Hello,

Any one can let me know on which PATH I need to Unzip
this "wps_sober" folder on Plesk 8.3 Centos5 Server?

Any Installation Note, old URLs are not working now.

www.chafardet.com/htheme.sh

get that, it will autoinstall uncompress the wps_sober theme.

in case you dont trust the download, ill paste the .sh code here.


#!/bin/sh

# File: custom Horde Theme Installer
# Author: k dot satirli at deecyne dot com
# Date: 08.18.2005
#
# Usage: put this script into a folder and execute it like so: sh script.sh
# Usage: the themes should be named 'wps_blue' and 'wps_sober'. Both are
# Usage: available at http://www.chafardet.com/ free of charge.

### ###
# #
# Theme: wps_blue #
# #
### ###

echo "starting with theme 'wps_blue' "

echo " "

wget http://www.chafardet.com/wps_blue.tar.gz
tar -xvzf wps_blue.tar.gz
cd wps_blue

echo "moving files..."
mv imp/themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/imp/themes
mv ingo/themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/ingo/themes
mv jonah/themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/jonah/themes
mv kronolith/themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/kronolith/themes/
mv mnemo/themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/mnemo/themes/
mv turba/themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/turba/themes/
mv themes/wps_blue/ /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/
echo "done."

echo " "

echo "cleaning up."
rm -rf wps_blue
rm -rf wps_blue.tar.gz

echo " "
echo " - - - "
echo " "

### ###
# #
# Theme: wps_sober #
# #
### ###

echo "starting with theme 'wps_sober' "

echo " "

wget http://www.chafardet.com/wps_sober.tar.gz
tar -xvzf wps_sober.tar.gz
cd wps_sober

mv imp/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/imp/themes
mv ingo/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/ingo/themes
mv jonah/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/jonah/themes
mv kronolith/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/kronolith/themes/
mv mnemo/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/mnemo/themes/
mv turba/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/turba/themes/
mv themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/

echo "cleaning up."
rm -rf wps_sober
rm -rf wps_sober.tar.gz

echo " "
echo " - - - "
echo " "

echo "Fixing bug(s)..."
cp /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_blue/graphics/help.png /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_blue/graphics/help_index.png
cp /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_sober/graphics/help.png /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_sober/graphics/help_index.png

echo " "
echo "Done. Now change the theme in Horde."


that sh wasnt made by me, but i placed it there, to have it avaliable to all my servers from my personal domain.

regards,

I follow the Instructions and Got Bellow Error;

mv: cannot move `imp/themes/wps_sober/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/psa-horde/imp/themes/wps_sober'
mv: cannot move `ingo/themes/wps_sober/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/psa-horde/ingo/themes/wps_sober'
mv: cannot move `jonah/themes/wps_sober/' to `/usr/share/psa-horde/jonah/themes': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `kronolith/themes/wps_sober/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/psa-horde/kronolith/themes/wps_sober'
mv: cannot move `mnemo/themes/wps_sober/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/psa-horde/mnemo/themes/wps_sober'
mv: cannot move `turba/themes/wps_sober/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/psa-horde/turba/themes/wps_sober'
mv: cannot move `themes/wps_sober/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_sober'
cleaning up.

- - -

Fixing bug(s)...
cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_blue/graphics/help.png': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/psa-horde/themes/wps_sober/graphics/help.png': No such file or directory

Done. Now change the theme in Horde.

I tried many things but No Help!

Please Guide what to do?

this question may be dumb, but, did you chmod +x the .sh file ?

I did the;
# chmod +x htheme.sh
# -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2140 May 8 2007 htheme.sh
# sh htheme.sh

But Same 'mv' error ?

What to do?

nice work, but way to expensive for a skin

I agree, too expensive. Those are some amazing skins for horde but they are still skins and i feel a little dissapointed after following this thread for so long and seeing the cost. I am also wondering why there is no online demo, if it is that easy to install why is there only screenshots not to mention plesk overwrites horde folder whenever a major upgrade is released, how will that work out
The idea is to get a lot of clients who will still be paying 30% for SUS. make it affordable or give out coupon codes because i dont see why i should pay practically the same amount i will pay for smartermail,Merak,Mailenable webmail client, mind you they are not just skins.
Yes i know they are windows platform, but if my client wants a better looking email i can always show them that.
Oh... and they have online demo too.

I did the;
# chmod +x htheme.sh
# -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2140 May 8 2007 htheme.sh
# sh htheme.sh

But Same 'mv' error ?

What to do?

thats very odd. does the .sh actually gets the file? double check that. those errors seems to me, like the .sh is not downloading the theme files.

at any rate, why dont you try downloading the .tar.gz yourself

then tar -xzf it

and try to do what the .sh does but by hand. that .sh has worked for me without failure always.

I'm using Plesk on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4

cheers,

Hello JLChafardet,

The .sh file is Downloading the .tar.gz file and extracting it in "wps_sober" folder then when it try to move the files then it gives error;
Below "mv" command is NOT working, Actually this is the problem I did it myself also the full process but when I reach to "mv" command it gives Error.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
mv imp/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/imp/themes
mv ingo/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/ingo/themes
mv jonah/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/jonah/themes
mv kronolith/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/kronolith/themes/
mv mnemo/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/mnemo/themes/
mv turba/themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/turba/themes/
mv themes/wps_sober/ /usr/share/psa-horde/themes/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It seems "mv" command source & destination has some path issue.
I am using Plesk 8.3, Centos 5 Server.

Tell me i have to move files